Friday, 21 November 2008
As I noted yesterday, a legal action has been launched by some 34 applicants from the television and movie industry against Australian ISP iiNet, alleging that iiNet has authorised copyright infringement by failing to take (adequate) steps to prevent sharing and downloading of films and TV shows via protocols like BitTorrent. A kind little birdie has sent me a copy of the Statement of Claim, so I have a bit more info. It makes for some interesting reading.
There are a number of interesting questions at the heart of this potential case:
- What, exactly, are ISPs required to do when they become aware that users are potentially infringing copyright? Do they have to terminate people alleged by the movie industry to be ‘repeat infringers’?
- How much responsibility will Australian courts put on intermediaries for ‘doing something’ about copyright infringement? So far, Australian courts have been pretty ready to impose liability on people they thought were ‘profiting from copyright wrongdoing’ – Kazaa with its P2P network, or Cooper with his ‘mp3sforfree’ website and his ISP host. What about others whose nefarious or infringing purpose is not so obvious? What, in other words, of more ‘ordinary’ service providers?
- When the legislation requires that ISPs, in order to ‘gain absolution’ or immunity from damages, should ‘adopt and reasonably implement a policy that provides for termination, in appropriate circumstances, of the accounts of repeat infringers’ – what does that really mean? Is it sufficient to terminate only those found liable for infringement? Is the court allowed to determine whether the policy is real or sufficient?
Politically, there are some equally interesting questions. Will the Internet industry respond to the lawsuit by looking for a settlement deal that goes some way towards creating the kind of ‘notice and terminate’ system that copyright owners have been pressing for? Will the government’s past approach of protecting ISPs from liability in order to further the digital economy hold? Or, has the tide turned: are we now in a climate where the courts, like the government, decide to hold ISPs to a higher standard, just as the government is trying to get ISPs to engage more actively in filtering adult content? And is this all just an attempt to promote a certain filter that purports to filter both porn and copyright infringement…?
More thoughts on the law side of things over the fold.
The target
The target of the lawsuit is iiNet. iiNet is not the biggest Australian ISP providing home broadband services by any means – and it is not a 800 pound gorilla like Telstra or Optus. But it is a significant player – this does not look like a lawsuit designed to pick off small fry. It is both a deliberate test case and, as I noted yesterday, a shot across the bows of the entire ISP industry in the continuing standoff between the internet industry and AFACT/MIPI over the copyright owners’ aim of having ISPs sign up to some kind of ‘notice and terminate’/three strikes/graduated response system, which I’ve discussed previously.
The allegations
The basic allegation in the Statement of Claim is that iiNet Users have infringed copyright in a series of movies (such gems as ‘Made of Honour’ but also Ocean’s 13, Happy Feet, Baby Mama and Mamma Mia!), and television episodes (Heroes, Gossip Girl, Prison Break and Bones, among others) – by making them available, transmitting them and copying them – basically, by file-sharing. The claim against iiNet is that it authorised the infringements. The authorisation allegation is pleaded a couple of different ways.
One way of framing it is that iiNet authorised copyright infringement because it:
- Knew or had reason to suspect that the iiNet Users were infringing copyright;
- ‘Took no action in response to notifications sent by or on behalf of the applicants which identified that the iiNet Users were engaging in’ copyright infringement;
- Offered encouragement to the iiNet Users to engage in copyright infringement;
- Failed to enforce their own terms of service;
- Continued to offer internet service to iiNet customers who were engaging in copyright infringement ‘or whose iiNet Services were being used by other iiNet Users to do so’;
- ‘through its own inactivity and indifference permitted a situation to develop and continue where iiNet Users engaged in, or continued to engage in, copyright infringement.
What we see is an attempt to place the activities of iiNet within the framework of cases like the Sharman (Kazaa) case. In that case, which was about the organisation running the Kazaa P2P software, the respondents were held liable for authorising infringement even though they did not have individual control over particular infringements that were occurring: partly because there were technical things they could have done to reduce infringement, but also because ‘far from taking steps that are likely effectively to curtail copyright file-sharing, Sharman Networks and Altnet have included on the Kazaa website exhortations to users to increase their file-sharing and a webpage headed ‘Join the Revolution’ that criticises record companies for opposing peer-to-peer file-sharing.’ In the Sharman case, it wasn’t at all clear that without such exhortations (which in the US they would call ‘inducement’, per the Supreme Court judgment in the Grokster case).
So you could call this one the “inducement claim“. Success here doesn’t depend on showing that iiNet has the power pre-emptively to prevent infringements going on. But it does depend on a finding that iiNet somehow ‘encouraged’ the infringements. I’ll be very interested to see how that case is made out (I don’t have any access to the particulars of the case). If the ‘encouragement’ is limited to marketing to a young and risky demographic, or to providing ‘all you can eat’ or off-peak special services, then I wonder how much ‘encouragement’ we are talking about. I’d be surprised if an ISP as big as iiNet had been so lacking in caution as to suggest in any way they condoned copyright infringement. It also seems to me that the idea that it was iiNet’s conduct which ‘permitted a situation to develop and continue where iiNet Users engaged in, or continued to engage in, copyright infringement’ is a bit of a stretch. One suspects there are other reasons other than iiNet’s conduct why infringement has been happening.
So while this first claim is framed in terms of established caselaw, my guess would be that (depending on the facts shown) it stretches the principle. In short, while the claim as framed fits the literal statements of the law developed in the Sharman case, I’m not sure, subject to the facts which emerge, that it fits the principle of the Sharman case. The encouragement, it seems to me, is likely to be much less clear – which raises a real question how far any court will be prepared to extend the ‘encouragement’ style reasoning.
The other way they frame the claim looks much more like the US claim of vicarious infringement (or the kind of liability imposed on the ISP in the Cooper case). In this version, the applicants are claiming that iiNet:
- had the power to prevent the infringements, and continuing infringements;
- had a direct and commercial relationship with the iiNet Customers which enabled iiNet to take action against the customers who engaged in infringement;
- took no steps, or inadequate steps, to prevent or avoid the infringements/continuing infringements.
The basic idea here, I guess, is that iiNet is benefiting from these activities (by taking fees for internet services); and that iiNet has to take responsibility for the actions of its users. The claim seems to be framed to fit the reasoning of the Full Court in the Cooper case. In that case the court held that a host who knew the nature of the ‘mp3sforfree’ website – and even advertised on the site and provided free hosting – was responsible for the infringement. In essence, the case was that the host should, on being made aware of the nature of the site, have withdrawn hosting services from Mr Cooper, or ‘or otherwise plac[ed] pressure on Mr Cooper to stop his website being used for the predominant purpose of copyright infringements’.
Again, while the case is framed in terms of established law, you would have to say it stretches the principle. In the Cooper case, the basis for the authorisation claim was a high level of involvement by the ISP in a single hosted website. In this case, we are talking about a low level of involvement (providing internet services, not hosting) to a multitude of individuals – and in cases where the infringement is not obvious on the face of a readily observable public website which could be observed by the host, but to be ‘inferred’ (or assumed) from the nature of the traffic from the individual, and the allegations of the movie industry in notices sent to the ISP.
Defences
It’s worth noting that as this is the statement of claim, none of the defences or safe harbours that iiNet may rely on are addressed. There is likely more to this case than we have yet seen, because AFACT must have answers to the obvious defences the ISP will raise:
- s 39B and s112E: A person (including a carrier or carriage service provider) who provides facilities for making… a communication is not taken to have authorised any infringement of copyright…merely because another person uses the facilities so provided to [infringe]
- Part V Division 2AA, the purpose of which is (s116AA) “to limit the remedies that are available against carriage service providers for infringements of copyright that relate to the carrying out of certain online activities by carriage service providers,” provided the CSP fulfils the required conditions. One of those ‘certain online activities’ is ‘Category A’: “providing facilities or services for transmitting, routing or providing connections for copyright material, or the intermediate and transient storage of copyright material in the course of transmission, routing or provision of connections”. The Conditions for Category A’ activities are in s116AH: which does require a policy for terminating repeat infringers (but says nothing about what that policy must look like) and which specifically states that “Nothing in the conditions is to be taken to require a carriage service provider to monitor its service or to seek facts to indicate infringing activity”.
On these, I guess we’ll have to wait and see. As I said up the top – a key question here will be the condition stated in s 116AH. The legislation requires that ISPs, in order to ‘gain absolution’ or immunity from damages, should ‘adopt and reasonably implement a policy that provides for termination, in appropriate circumstances, of the accounts of repeat infringers’. But what does that really mean? Is it sufficient to terminate only those found liable for infringement? Is the court allowed to determine whether the policy is real or sufficient? There isn’t, on the face of it, much in the way of wording of the statute to suggest that the court engage in some kind of merits review of the nature of the ISPs internal policies. And would a court even be equipped to do such an assessment…?
Will the courts stretch the principle…?
In short: subject to what facts emerge about iiNet’s activities, it seems to me that the claim being framed here seeks to fit the iiNet activities within the frame of the two different ways developed to frame authorisation liability: the Sharman ‘inducement’ style claim, and the Cooper ‘vicarious liability’ type claim. But the case on the facts doesn’t really feel like either Sharman, or Cooper. And authorisation cases are nothing if not factually-focused.
What’s different? At some level, the difference is in a level of culpability or moral responsibility. The original idea of ‘authorisation’ liability was that a person should be liable if they authorised – gave permission for, sanctioned, countenanced, or approved – copyright infringement. Courts have been prepared to extend this concept of authorisation in cases where the alleged authoriser ‘ought’ to be held responsible: which is, at least in part, a kind of ethical question about the reasonable extent of responsibility and liability.
But do we really want iiNet taking moral responsibility for what its users are doing online? Do we want to turn them into police – and not just police, but judge and executioner too, given that the basic claim is that they should policing internet users who are alleged, but not ever proven in a court of law, to be infringing?
To the extent, too, that we are talking about the extent to which a player ought to be held responsible, it seems to me to be relevant to look at what the rest of the industry is going. The iiNet case seems, to me, (and again, subject to what facts emerge) to involve an industry player doing what other industry players do: providing internet service and not monitoring too closely what consumers do with it. Unlike Sharman, or Cooper, we do not have someone here operating ‘beyond the pale’ obviously facilitating what is obviously infringing conduct in an outlaw kind of way.
And what is different, too, is that successive governments have taken trouble to enact into legislation provisions designed to protect the kind of industry player that iiNet is. On one level it’s unbelievable that we have come to this point, where an ISP is being sued for copyright infringement. The government enacted multiple provisions designed to protect ISPs from liability and to ensure that, so long as their activity is confined to being a conduit for others’ communications, they would not be liable. Way back when the Digital Agenda amendments were passed, the Government recognised the “key role in the online delivery of content and the operation of the information economy” played by ISPs, and sought to ensure they would have “greater certainty about the responsibilities of carriers and ISPs to copyright owners and the steps they need to take to avoid infringing copyright”. The Safe Harbours, introduced in 2004 because of the US FTA, were also meant to provide certainty – and protection. And, of course, despite repeated calls by the music and movie industries for ISPs to be required to actively terminate infringing users via some kind of ‘three strikes’ approach, the Australian government has not, at this point, made any move to adopt any such policy. Assuming that iiNet is doing no more than what other ISPs are doing: that is, providing internet services and not engaging in a program of terminating access to people the copyright industry accuses of being infringers, then a court, to find iiNet liable, would have to get itself involved in industry regulation. It would have to ignore or sideline the thrust of the many legislative moves the government has made to protect ISPs who are conduits to communication. As a preliminary view, it seems to me that that would be a significant extension.
It seems to me, then, that there are problems with the claim. I can see why, and how, the copyright owner applicants might argue that if you take the terminology used by the court in cases like the Sharman and Cooper cases, you can frame the conduct of any ISP as fitting within the literal terms of those rulings if you read the terms broadly enough. But that is to miss the principles lying behind the decisions and the kind of decision being made. The question is whether the connection between the conduct of the alleged authoriser and the infringer is close enough that the authoriser ought to be held responsible for the infringer’s conduct. That’s a judgement call, based on ethical views, on what is normal in the industry, and on society’s views of the appropriate extent of responsibility. Once you look at those issues, finding liability for an ordinary industry player will be a hard sell – and a question which I suspect ought to be left to decision-makers other than the courts.
Um, isn’t there something missing here?
Of course, the other really interesting thing about the case is that it is being brought in the absence of any attempt by copyright owners to actually sue individuals for the copyright infringement that they are asking the ISPs to stop. If the copyright infringement is so clear, and so serious, one might expect that individuals would be sued. And, as I’ve said before, I can’t help but think that would be preferable:
[I]f individuals were sued, rather than disconnected, (a) the cost of enforcement would lie on the copyright owners, and (b) consumers, and media, and everyone else, would be clear on what was happening, who it was initiated by, and, in fact, that it was happening. And in the case of Australia, unlike the US, damages are linked to the harm suffered by the copyright owner, so the threat of exorbitant fines of the Jammie Thomas variety would not be there. The advantage of the lawsuit option is that it is public and that everyone takes responsibility for their action. That is not necessarily a bad thing, on all sides. In other words, if MIPI decides to sue individuals, it will, in so doing, at least have to articulate its reasons, justify them to the Australian population at large, and to politicians. Politicians, too, would need to observe the effects of copyright laws and to justify them to the Australian people. I think that’s only appropriate, rather than going through the back door of managing it all second hand through the ISPs.
Should ISPs bear the cost, and take action against people that the copyright industry refuses, itself, to sue? You have to ask yourself why they should.
Context
And then there is the context. We all know that there is a worldwide push on the part of copyright owners seeking to have ISPs adopt a ‘graduated response’. These moves have met, in Australia, with resistance from the Internet Industry, which has repeatedly refused to act as judge and executioner for allegedly infringing users; the government, so far, has declined to step in to require the internet industry to take on such a role. This lawsuit clearly ‘ups the ante’. I wonder whether the copyright owners think they will receive a more sympathetic hearing from a judge? But why wouldn’t a judge see this as a policy issue to be determined in the legislative arena…?
Ah, interesting times. I look forward to following matters as they unfold.
More?
- Nic Suzor’s blog on the case
- Tama Leaver blogging on the case
- APC Mag story on the case (’why iiNet will lose’) – has some interesting further facts on what iiNet received from AFACT
- Story on Whirlpool (with quotes from the iiNet people)
- ZDNet story (”go on AFACT. Take on Telstra’s legal team. Then we’ll know you’re serious”)
- SMH Story
- Inducers and Authorisers: A Comparison of the US Supreme Court’s Grokster Decision and the Australian Federal Court’s Kazaa Ruling: A paper by (copyright leading lights) Sam Ricketson and Jane Ginsburg comparing Australian and American authorisation liability
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November 21st, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Woah thanks Kim, that was very fast, hot off the press. I managed to pick up a copy of the Statement of Claim this afternoon from the Sydney Registry, skimmed through it..
Did you have a read of the Particulars? One particular I have with this authorisation action is the alleged ‘primary’ infringement. For example, in this case, it is pleaded that a certain Mr Aaron Herps, an investigator employed by AFACT, connected to an iiNet broadband service: para 61. For an 18-week period between 2 July and 30 October, Mr Herps used the service to connect to other users by BitTorrent and uploaded/downloaded films: para 73.
Sounds like a ‘digital’ trap purchase, right? But if that is so, then Mr Herps’ actions were permitted by AFACT, the agent of the content owners. Therefore, iiNet could not have ‘authorised’ Mr Herps’ actions, because they are not infringements in the first place?
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:54 am
I haven’t seen the statement of claim, although I will be interested to read it when I eventually get my hands on a copy. While I understand that an AFACT agent used iiNet to perform what would have been copyright infringement absent authorisation; however, does AFACT claim that they have evidence that some of the BitTorrent clients that they connected to were iiNet clients? If not then does the statement of claim include any relevant infringement with respect to iiNet.
A slightly more interesting perspective is that as this authorised, non-infringing activity was indistinguishable from unauthorised, infringing activity — the only differentiation being a verbal/written authorisation that iiNet could not be privy to. As such is this not a perfect example of why iiNet cannot be held liable for failing to interfere with the AFACT agent’s lawful use of their network?
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Having read the Statement of Claim again, I think the first claim is authorisation in the common law sense of ’sanction, countenance, approve’: Falcon v. Famous Players Film Co (1926) 2 KB 474, 491; APRA v Jain (1990) 26 FCR 53, 61. In particular, notice the similarity between subpara 63(f) and the Full Federal Court in Jain, which stated, “the evidence in the present case reveals, in our opinion, a studied and deliberate course of action in which Mr Jain decided to ignore the appellant’s rights and to allow a situation to develop”: 61. Therefore, although the applicants pleaded encouragement, I don’t think it’s strictly necessary in this way of putting the claim.
The second claim is a direct copy of the provisions in s101(1A). The (1A) factors were intended to codify Gibbs J’s judgment in UNSW v Moorhouse (1975) 133 CLR 1, 13.
More fun in the sun. :)
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 am
I’m just an ordinary guy with no legal training but this whole case seems rather like trying to sue the NSW Roads and Traffic Authority because they build and maintain the roads that people break the law on. Are the studio’s serious in thinking this will turn out to be anything other than a PR disaster, and that the courts will support a decision that essentially bypasses them in the pursuit of justice.
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:20 am
Like Michael, I’m no lawyer, but on a first read basis this case seems ridiculous! iiNets position is that it does not pass on unsubstantiated claims to its customers – it supposedly forwards them to the police who routinely ignore them. How is iiNet in the wrong. Michael is correct. We do not sue governments over building roads used both legally and illegally. We do not sue Ford for making that getaway car someone used somewhere. We do not sue gas companies because they provided power for a safe breakers oxy torch. It seems crazy. I hope all of you lawyer types can protect us from this sort of ridiculous attacks on our freedoms.
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:53 am
Thanks Kim, for yet another excellent summary.
It seems to me that this all hinges around whether iiNet has ‘a policy for terminating repeat infringers’. Surely evidence by way of court judgements are a legally acceptable way of determining who the repeat infringers are? It appears that AFACT has other ideas – they are in essence requesting the license for Copyright holders to bypass the legal system and assign themselves the roles of judge, jury and executioner.
Can iiNet counter-sue AFACT over this?
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:30 am
To respond to Michael’s and Wayne’s examples, the law seems to draw a distinction between circumstances where the alleged authoriser no longer exercises ‘control’ over the primary infringer, and circumstances where the alleged authoriser continues to exercise such ‘control’. This was stated in the High Court in the Tapes Levy Case (Australian Tape Manufacturers Association Ltd v Commonwealth (1993) 176 CLR 480) in this way:
“[6] The sale of a blank tape does not constitute an authorization by the vendor to infringe copyright. That is principally because the vendor has no control over the ultimate use of the blank tape…
[7] It follows that manufacture and sale of articles such as blank tapes or video recorders, which have lawful uses, do not constitute authorization of infringement of copyright, even if the manufacturer or vendor knows that there is a likelihood that the articles will be used for an infringing purpose such as home taping of sound recordings, so long as the manufacturer or vendor has no control over the purchaser’s use of the article.”
In other words, it is the continued presence of ‘control’ over the primary infringer that creates potential liability for an ISP, but not for the Sony and Australia Post. But the problem with a ‘control’ test, in my view, is that one can look at it from different levels of abstraction. One could possess direct control, such as that of a principal over an agent. One could possess indirect control that is not possible to exercise without destroying a contractual relationship between the ISP and the subscriber (by, for example, termination).
As Kim previously noted, when Justice Branson in the Full Federal Court stated in the Cooper case ([2006] FCAFC 187) – “a person’s power to prevent the doing of an act comprised in a copyright includes the person’s power not to facilitate the doing of that act” (at [41]) – you can really question, well, how far can this concept of ‘control’ go, at what level of generality can we look at this concept? And, if the ‘power to prevent’ in s36(1A)(a)/101(1A)(a) includes the ‘power not to facilitate’, how can you reconcile that with the wording at the beginning of paragraph (a), namely “the extent… of the person’s power to prevent”? With respect to Branson J, to speak of ‘the extent of a person’s power not to facilitate a means by which infringement may be committed’ is meaningless, because 99 times out of a 100, that question does not warrant an answer of degrees.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:42 am
Thanks for the summary, for myself as a non-legal mind, it was quite easqy to comprehend.
In regards to interesting question (1): Given that the evidence of file sharing was the standard of proof that was accepted in the KaZaa case, it sounds unreasonable to me that iiNet should have to look up legal precedents and interpret them. But, if we assume iiNet deems this evidence enough, and then acts upon it by limiting/removing a users internet connection without precedent, would that open up iiNet to legal action from those users? What if iiNet wanted to fully determine a users guilt/innocence, how does the privacy act apply to this? Because as far as I know, they cannot directly intercept telecomms?
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:35 am
If i had a mobile phone and i used that phone to conduct illegal activities (drug dealing/terrorist related activities), would someone be taking action against my phone company for my illegal activities?
I see this case as a similar thing. A court order should be taken against the individual and then the ISP should then pass over details.
The copyright organisations like to skip this step because their investigation practises are flawed and shaky at best.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:21 pm
“but not for the Sony and Australia Post.”
I believe you are correct here in one case but incorrect in another. The Sony example is obvious, once the iterm leaves the control of Sony the user can do hatever they want, however AP has full control over the mail from the point it is posted to the point it is delivered. At any time, and at any stage, this material can be opened and checked for illegal content, and indeed in many cases it is. Mail from overseas is checked for drugs on entry to Australia, suspect smelling or mail exuding noxious substances are seperated and examined.
The question here is, if the internet is stamped out as a conduit of cheap movies and tv shows, moviegoers and tv watchers will go elsewhere. I have seen stacks of movies and tv shows a imported from overseas in luggage that cost no more than $5 yet contained $1,000’s worth of tv shows (not me of course). It opens up a market for mail order cheap DVD’s from overseas, places like China etc.
What next, every piece of mail opened or AP sued? Again AP’s immunity lies in legislation, but how foolproof is that immunity?
Steve
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:36 pm
If god created good and evil, and evil kills the good, should we sue god for creating evil in this world?
If Sony created CD and DVD burners and they are used to pirate music and movies, should music/movie companies sue Sony for making such devices?
It’s ridiculous….this claim should be thrown out. Those companies are doing this for greed. -_-;
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Great writeup Kim. I’m in no way a legal expert, and your review of the particulars certainly helped me understand the case more thoroughly.
I think most avid internet users in Australia will be watching this case closely, as I will be.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Mark Newton made some interesting posts a few months ago http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1026807&ux=7978
The main point not covered above is copyright holders have a process for going after ISP users, starting with Order 15A discovery. AFACT has never used this process, despite it being the correct way to compel an ISP to hand over subscriber details.
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Hey guys,
I was reading over the enormous number of posts on Whirlpool relating to this. A while ago I found an article that looked at whether “youtube is legal in australia” by this guy – http://www.timdavis.com.au/Youtube_US_Aus_Copyright.pdf – which seems to outline some of carriage provisions.
Think the same would apply here ?
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Hey Guys,
Heres a curly one for you (love an answer?)
The action is alleging for downloading movies over bit-torrent files. As you may or may not know – bit torrent basically works by “parceling” a file into multiple “bits” and distributing over a large network of people. The more people with the file, the faster the transfer rate by peer distribution.
If any damages are proven – are they apportioned to the total damage of the infringement? i.e. in this case, the infringement would relate to exact “number of bits” relative to each file over network which were illegal disseminated across iiNet.
The apportionment of the bytes transferred across their network which specifically relate to each piece of infringing content would therefore have to be determined??
Thoughts?
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Just finished reading the ‘analysis’ at APC Mag: http://apcmag.com/why_iinet_will_probably_lose_the_piracy_lawsuit.htm
and absolutely dismayed at the inaccuracy of the legal analysis. -__-”
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Hi Everyone,
I have no legal training, but I have been keeping abreast of the P2P issues over the last couple of years. One problem I find is that many people dont seem to make a distiction between those who download illegally and those who pirate…the latter of whom tend to sell and profit from the activity. So..is there a legal distinction between the two?
On a similar bent, as an individual, what is my legal responsibility when I setup a home network using wireless? If I do not secure the connection, or do secure the connection which someone hacks into, am I responsible legally for the hackers activity on my connection?
Thoughts?
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:40 pm
The copyright act does not contain words describing what constitute a ‘proof’ of copyright violation. It was assumed you have a phyiscal copy of the evidence. Neither Kazza or Cooper dealed with this issue, and this is where the legal ramification will be immense. If the court rules that any allegation by a copyright holder is enough, anyone with a computer can disconnect the entire Australia. What is the standard of proof of someone who is ‘infringing’? In order to “prove” that a crime is committed, you must either have access to the machine, or cache a copy of the data packet that is being transmitted from Iinet to the user. Any computer expert will tell you that IP + timestamp is not enough.
What AFACT should have done is to get Iinet to block sites like piratebay. Once you block out the top 100 torrent sites from Australian ISP you will end the torrent piracy issue in Australia. Next, let the ISP sell your movies digitally with no ridiculous DRM along with their ‘plan’ and you have a viable business model. You can even sell advertising on them.
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Hi,
I specifically address this to the legal folk.
In law there is the need for the applicant to minimise, where possible, their losses by taking appropriate action. (Excuse my lack of legal terminology, but what I mean by this is if I want to sue someone for breach of contract, then the court will consider my actions, or lack thereof, to reduce/minimise that breach if I was in a position to do so. If I allowed a breach to continue and delayed bringing it to the attention of the breaching party then that is my responsibility to wear that part of the loss.)
Now, to what extent do the content holders have to take responsibility for not minimising their losses by providing their copyrighted content through the internet. Content is extremely hard to get for small players in the industry, and licensing restrictions prevents deals with US aggregators.
This is especially true in Australia. Take music as an example. In the US there are several wholesale aggregators of music who make available digital versions. Companies are then able to take this “feed” and build it into their website. This allows them to make their version of Itunes.
So, why haven’t they done this in Australia? Why do they restrict such US companies from selling to Australian companies?
Back to my question… What is the content industries responsibility to minimise its losses, by way of its failure to make content readily available? Is my argument valid, or am I misguided.
I welcome your thoughts.
November 24th, 2008 at 8:07 am
A few responses:
Is there a ‘trap purchase’ problem?
The argument that AFACT/the copyright owners ‘authorised’ any infringements because they were involved in them as a kind of digital trap purchase is one of those ‘too cute by half’ arguments. Courts have very occasionally militated against trap purchases: for example, see Ward Group Pty Ltd v Brodie & Stone Plc. Sam Ricketson wrote an article where he went through some of the history of trap purchase cases, showing how frequently they are accepted. In sum, he says, ‘it can be said that there is ample authority to uphold evidence of trap orders, so long as the overall requirements of fairness and certainty are met.’
Were the BitTorrent clients connected to iiNet users?
Andrae, you ask a good question: looking at the Statement of Claim, copyright owners would need proof that iiNet users were communicating, transmitting, and reproducing copyright works – not just that iiNet could be used to find copyright material. My guess would be that they have taken care of that – after all, if they’ve been sending notices about copyright infringements to iiNet it implies that they think it is iiNet users, among others, who are engaging in infringement.
Is it necessary to prove encouragement?
Wen, your point that the Jain language is used is a good one. But I think the reason for the reference to ‘encouragement’ is to overcome the problem that the respondents lack direct control over particular communications and the issue of whether they have taken ‘reasonable steps’. In the Sharman case, Sharman’s ‘encouragement’ of people to ‘join the revolution’ helped make the authorization case in the face of a lack of evidence that Sharman did have any direct central control over what was going on. Strictly, though, you are correct, in that in authorization cases no particular fact seems to be necessary – rather, the courts in Australia look at all of the facts in order to determine whether it fits the idea of ‘sanctioning countenancing or approving’.
PR disaster?
Hi Michael – possibly a PR Issue. But I actually kind of doubt it. After all, the point of doing it this way is to avoid the real PR disaster of suing individuals. And it has the positive of making people aware that this kind of activity is closely monitored. And no one can say that they haven’t prepared the ground – there has been a great deal of coverage in the leadup attempting to make people more aware of copyright owners’ claims.
Richard/Wayne/Chris: sue the roadmakers/mobile phone companies/gun companies?
This of course is the ISPs’ basic point: they are conduits for information and shouldn’t be having to take responsibility for the content of the communications passing over their networks in the absence of a court order. The copyright owners don’t agree: they say it would be relatively simple for the ISPs to take some action which would significantly reduce infringement – eg by sending letters to people whose infringement is detected.
Andy Scott: the CSP provisions
Yes, Andy – the CSP provisions apply here providing for safe harbours. I mentioned those in the post – you see, until we see the defence and the response from the applicants we don’t really know what the copyright owners’ case is on the safe harbour.
Only bits of movies?
Yes, the bits of movies question is an interesting one – Nic Suzor has some comment on this on his blog. I agree it is going to be interesting to see how they argue the point. My guess, though, would be that courts will look to the substance of the transaction rather than the form, and will find that there are infringing acts. AT the very least, iiNet users who download will be assembling full copies.
Pirate vs downloader: Dr Brant Raven
The law does draw various distinctions based on the activities of a person and their impact. In the civil law (ie in a civil suit) you can be sued for any infringement: it is not a requirement that you make a profit. In the criminal courts you can be prosecuted, broadly speaking (and there is some interesting wording) for copyright infringement (distribution or reproduction) where you do it ‘to an extent that substantially prejudices the copyright owner’. The law was deliberately changed – they used to require that infringement be commercial; now it just has to be commercial in scale.
Responsibility for an open wireless connection?
With a copyright case, you have to be shown either to infringe or authorise infringement. Just leaving your wireless insufficiently ‘protected’ would not be enough to be held liable for authorising infringement. So if it went to court, it would be a question of proof whether you actually did the infringing acts, or whether someone else did. Of course, part of the problem with the ‘notice and terminate’ system that copyright owners are seeking is that it never does get to court, so you don’t necessarily get the chance to argue that it isn’t you. I’m not sure how they plan to deal with that issue.
Proof?
Ronin8317, if a person not the copyright owner claimed infringement, they would be liable for unjustified threats of infringement proceedings, as well, no doubt, as other kinds of action. But your comment does raise the issue of the difficulties in making sure that notices are properly sent, and properly identify genuine infringement. There have been problems with this, particularly when copyright owners have used automated systems to show infringement. Your comment also highlights the implications of accepting a ‘notice and terminate’ kind of system – it would necessarily involve significant expense on the part of the ISP, and one wonders who should be bearing the cost of that… the ISP (and hence its customers) or the copyright owners who are seeking to enforce their rights and gain more profit? If this really was going to improve their profit position, wouldn’t they be willing to pay for it?
November 24th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Stavros, it’s an interesting question. Actually, an argument like that was raised in the Kazaa case, where it was argued that the copyright owners ought to take some action to protect their own rights: Justice Wilcox holding in effect that the issue of whether they should do something themselves was largely irrelevant to the question of whether Sharman was authorising infringement of copyright: after all, the copyright act does not say, ‘you get copyright provided you do something to protect yourself’.
On the other hand, copyright law has a somewhat ‘bad brand’ at the moment – people aren’t all that enthusiastic about copyright, and I suspect that one small contributing factor is that for a long time copyright owners have blamed other people without moving as quickly as people have demanded to accommodate desires for digital copies of material (for all kinds of reasons).
As for why copyright owners don’t sell from the US to here – well, that is partly because there may be different rightsholders and contractual arrangements between different countries. Australian copyright may be owned separately from US copyright. There is much discussion about attempting to reduce these issues so people can sell across borders – but let’s put it this way – they haven’t even managed that in Europe, the big common market – let alone more generally. Don’t hold your breath.
November 24th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
I’m not a lawyer, and legalese is foreign to me. Have I got the following right?
Complainants gave iiNet evidence of alleged crimes.
iiNet gave this evidence to police, unlike the complainants.
Police did not request further assistance from iiNet.
Complainants demanded iiNet terminate accounts.
iiNet refused, citing no determination of guilt.
Complainants accused iiNet in court of aiding criminals.
It seems to me that iiNet has done more to uphold the social contract (of people and government) than the complainants, and that to find iiNet guilty the government would have to break that contract.
Complainants would seem to be challenging the government’s democratic authority, using iiNet as the fall guy.
November 24th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
ok – another curly one – as a computer tech I have had a computer into the shop that I think had a bit torrent program running in the background (hidden – boss key activated) – how do I stand with what info it transmited using my internet connection? as microsoft and other companies assume / require internet connection for updates?
another “allegation” had to be false as we had a power blackout at the time – the assumption of being guilty would have put me out of business if automatically disconnected – can I get compensation for the loss? Maybe we should be looking at a bill of rights to stop them?
regards
scott
November 24th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Here is the REAL issue:
“Village employs over 5000 Australians. We’re active in the cinema business, in film distribution, in DVD distribution and we invest in film production, and piracy has the potential to significantly erode all of those businesses,”
http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/film-companies-sue-iinet-for-allowing-piracy/2008/11/20/1226770617457.html
I wish the larger corporations would stop hiding behind sketchy copyright arguments and just put forward their real case.
November 24th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Kim — how does this play with the Telecommunications Act? For iiNet to themselves know who might be infringing they’d need to perform deep packet inspection — actually reading the traffic rather than just shuffling it about. That might contradict the Act’s sections against intercepting communications.
November 24th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Mark: are you saying that the companies should just say: ‘we want subsidies’? But that doesn’t go down as well as ‘we have rights’…
November 24th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Kim..thanks for answering the great number of points on here. I know that we might be swaying from the topic a little, but I want to explore the idea of having a wireless connection at home.
As I mentioned, in my little understanding of the law in this area, there is no legal requirement for me as an individual to protect my wireless network. I can simply leave it open and anyone near by can potentially access the Internet using my connection and therefore my account. Is this not effectively a legal loophole…not only for individuals who might be called to task, but also for ISPs who cannot ensure that it is their users performing the access..if their users have built a wireless network?
Brant
November 25th, 2008 at 12:18 am
Good article. Here’s something that popped up amongst the discussions on this matter. Researchers at Uni of Washington released a paper outlining the inaccuracy of the torrent trackers, citing the following:
# Practically any Internet user can be framed for copyright infringement today.
By profiling copyright enforcement in the popular BitTorrent file sharing system, we were able to generate hundreds of real DMCA takedown notices for computers at the University of Washington that never downloaded nor shared any content whatsoever.
Further, we were able to remotely generate complaints for nonsense devices including several printers and a (non-NAT) wireless access point. Our results demonstrate several simple techniques that a malicious user could use to frame arbitrary network endpoints.
REF: http://dmca.cs.washington.edu/
November 25th, 2008 at 12:51 am
Hang on a second, if the material downloaded over the iiNet’s network was copyrighted how did it end up on the network in the first place ? Obviously the plaintiff was negligent in that it allowed the said material out into the public network in the first place and did not take the necessary precautions to prevent copying of its materials. Since most of the new release movies are pirated using camcorders and similar recording devices directly from cinemas its up to the plaintiff to make sure the pirates are stopped at the source of the problem. Perhaps a non-disclosure/non-distribution agreement AND a strip search for video recording devices for all cinema patrons would be in order.
November 25th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Jaques – good question.
Deep packet inspection may not be necessary at all. Remember that (as far as I know) AFACT was sending letters notifying iiNet that certain IP addresses were infringing copyright using BitTorrent. Remember too that iiNet is accused of authorising infringement. That means that iiNet is accused of ’sanctioning, countenancing or approving’ infringement of copyright. It is, in general, not necessary for such a claim that iiNet know all the details of a given infringement. The Moorhouse case is authority for the proposition that ‘… a person who has under his control the means by which an infringement of copyright may be committed — such as a photocopying machine — and who makes it available to other persons, knowing, or having reason to suspect, that it is likely to be used for the purpose of committing an infringement, and omitting to take reasonable steps to limit its use to legitimate purposes, would authorise any infringement that resulted from its use’.
iiNet would also, without any deep packet inspection, be able to see how much traffic there was to a certain user. I’m not sure whether deep packet inspection is necessary to determine what protocol is used by traffic (can iiNet tell it is BitTorrent traffic without further inspection? I’ve no idea).
Applying the Moorhouse reasoning (and remembering that authorisation liability is always really, really fact-driven, so outcomes aren’t straightforward to predict) AFACT might argue that (a) iiNet provided internet services and (b) iiNet had reason (the AFACT letters) to suspect that certain specific users identified in the AFACT letters were infringing copyright. AFACT would also say that iiNet’s response to that knowledge – apparently, sending the letters on to police – was not a ‘reasonable’ response (a ‘reasonable’ response, according to AFACT, being passing the letters on to users). iiNet would have some counterarguments, but you can see how the argument would be framed. This argument would not require deep packet inspection I don’t think.
Of course, iiNet’s response might be twofold: either (a) that the letters were not enough to give iiNet reason to suspect infringement, given the known faults with IP address tracking, and given too that BitTorrent files may be perfectly innocent – BitTorrent has many legitimate uses, or (b) that iiNet’s response was the only reasonable one, given that it is not entitled to inspect the communications content further. In those circumstances, the reasonable response is to send it on to police. If the police think there is reason to do something about it, they of course can very readily get warrants or other necessary documents to entitle further inspection of the user’s communications – all the privacy laws and telecomms laws have exceptions for law enforcement: see eg Section 280 of the Telecommunications Act 1997.
November 25th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Brant,
I don’t know of any legislative requirement that individual users close or protect their wireless network. But one possibility is that terms of service with your ISP may require you to put a password onto the service.
In any event, this is kind of off topic. If a case were brought against an individual user, and that individual user showed that they did not have any password protection, that might make it harder to prove they did any downloading. As a copyright owner in such a case I’d want forensic examination of the computer. And remember that in the Jammie Thomas case the fact that the username of the person who did the downloading was identifiably Jammie Thomas (or was one she’d previously used) was a step in the proof.
But it is offtopic for iiNet. For the reasons outlined in my comment above, the question is really whether iiNet’s conduct – particularly, in not passing on letters to users or doing further examination – is a reasonable response. The question of who, exactly, used the iiNet service to engage in the relevant conduct isn’t really germaine to that question.
November 25th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
I have only just heard of this case and I can’t see how it could win – despite the obvious defences there is another very big one (which I haven’t fully explored, apologies if my knowledge is lacking legally).
What if most of the people are downloading or transferring files, music, movies, TV series etc, perfectly legally.
Under Australian copyright law, which was changed a couple of years ago (finally), individuals (the general public) are now allowed the right to have copies of their legally bought material in other and different formats.
An Example:
So I can now take the CD/record/tape I’ve purchased and legally create or obtain an mp3 version which I can now use on my digital media player perfectly legally. I can also do the same with my VHS and DVD movies.
In the case of the latest movie releases that are not available to the public other than in theatres, persons acquiring these are obviously doing something not quite right, however if that number of people is only 4% (just choosing a number) and all the other people are simply acquiring versions of material they already own copies of in another format then there is no case to answer as there is no illegal activity.
I myself have been downloading digital copies of movies that I already own on VHS and DVD, and music where I already own that song on record or CD, as I do not at present have the equipment to convert, however the way in which I wish to acquire a version of something I have already paid for is irrelevant as I now have the right to have that item in other and different formats.
Am I wrong?
November 25th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Cameron:
IANAL, but as I understand it, no, you’re not entirely correct. You do have the right to make your own copies of CDs into mp3 format, or VHS or film recordings to DVD or other electronic/digital format. But, you can only have one copy, you must make the copies yourself and you cannot distribute the copy (you can loan it to others in certain circumstances, but they are not permitted to make themselves a copy either from your copy or your original). Any copies you download, regardless of whether you own the original or not, are deemed to be infringing. DVDs receive special treatment – there are no provisions for personal use copies of copyrighted works on DVD.
November 26th, 2008 at 7:01 am
AFACT’s case might seem to be lacking, though…
My concern is that choosing iiNet, and not Telstra, to attack is part of the overall devious plan. If iiNet’s defence costs soar with a protracted case. If the best defence team can’t be afforded. If iiNet just rolls over. Is there a chance that a precedent (of sorts) can be won by AFACT?
Can, by sheer lack of resourses to fight effectively, a finding go against an organisation and then this (questionable) finding be used to support other cases in the future?
November 26th, 2008 at 9:30 am
I’m glad I found this, I checked your old blog as soon as I heard about the case last week and was disappointed to see that it had closed, hadn’t realised you’d moved on :).
Anyway, nothing much to say on the legal side of things, just a comment on your conclusionary statement. You say that it’d be preferable for the industry to sue users rather than have ISPs disconnect because:
If individuals were sued, rather than disconnected, the cost of enforcement would lie on the copyright owners
That statement only makes sense if you believe that at a fundamental level, copyright laws are too broad and shouldn’t be fully enforced (particularly wrt individual infringement over the internet). If you really believed fully in existing coypright laws and thought that infringement should be stopped then the most efficient way to do so would be through ISPs simply because it’s cheaper do deal with a few dozen entities than with thousands.
Sure, you’d want to put some safeguards, you’d want to give affected individuals some right of appeal, perhaps to a dedicated tribunal, and you’d want to make the relevant industries pay for the cost of enforcement not the ISPs, but if you wanted copyright laws to be enforced properly your aim should be to minimise the cost of enforcement (by dealing with the issue at points of aggregation) rather than trying to maximise the cost by spreading it through individual users.
November 26th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Kim, I’m interested in your thoughts. The safe habour provisions are only relevant if infringement (eg. on the basis of authorisation) is proven. However, if iiNet is found to have authorised the relevant conduct because they had sufficient knowledge and control but failed to take adequate steps to prevent the infringement then isn’t it unlikely that they will be able to successfully argue that they are protected by safe habour provisions? If they fulfilled the condition of reasonably implementing a policy of termination then aren’t they much less likely to be held liable for authorisation? If this is the case then when are the safe habour provisions likely to apply? This seems to me to be a real area of difficulty for the operation of the safe habour provisions. Or am I missing something?
November 26th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Re the personal copying thing: Geoff is (broadly) right, Cameron is wrong. You can only make personal copies from your own, legitimately obtained copies. In the case of music, you can make more than one copy (this is where Geoff is wrong) into whatever format you like, but it has to be traceable to your legitimate copy, and you cannot distribute. DVDs aren’t covered; broadcasts (TV shows) aren’t covered when downloaded (you can record to watch at a more convenient time, TiVo or video recorder style). So no, the personal copying exception doesn’t help here.
Bryce: I’m not sure that devious is the right word here, even though I’m not a fan of AFACT’s route for enforcement. First, we don’t know whether Telstra and Optus have responded at all differently to AFACT’s claims – maybe iiNet have been the ‘most recalcitrant’ – which would mean it would make sense for AFACT to sue them. Maybe iiNet have the worst offenders? who knows? On your precedent question: yes, it is possible that a precedent would be set. But not if iiNet settle. And you can always re-argue an issue, making new arguments that might convince a court when the old ones didn’t.
Jeremy: good point re the lawsuits. I guess in part my conclusory statement *is* motivated by a view that my experience of law reform debates of late has been this statement that ‘oh, ordinary consumers will never be sued for copyright infringement so it is ok to draft broad laws so that the laws can be enforced against the really naughty people without any trouble’. So yes, I guess I think the law is too broad but the only way to get people’s attention trained on that issue is through lawsuits. But you are of course right, that selective enforcement is a bad thing, and a Jammie Thomas type case – where one person does end up suffering for the sins of many – is not an attractive option. Rock, meet hard place.
November 26th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Virginia, that is an interesting point. I don’t think that there’s much doubt that the various provisions we have relating to ISPs in the Copyright Act have various degrees of overlap and strange interactions. That, after all, is the problem with s 112E and 39B – they provide protection where the ISP is ‘merely’ providing facilities for communication, but of course, if that is all the ISP is doing it’s hard to say they are ever going to be held liable for infringing (although there is another interpretation I guess of those provisions: that as long as you don’t actively facilitate infringment then you are protected. We haven’t had that case in the courts yet: Cooper and Sharman both looked at the provision, but neither case is really analogous to a straightforward ISP not offering special services a la the Cooper case.)
I think you are right, that having a policy for terminating repeat infringers would be part of the calculus in determining whether, in accordance with s 101(1A), an ISP ‘took any other reasonable steps to prevent or avoid the doing of the [infringing act]‘. But of course it all depends on how the court interprets that provision. The requirement in s 116AH that the safe harbour requires that an ISP ‘must adopt and reasonably implement a policy that provides for termination, in appropriate circumstances, of the accounts of repeat infringers’ is not straightforward to understand. Would such a policy have to itself be ‘reasonable’? Would it have to involve intermediate steps such as sending on letters to users prior to reaching the point of termination? Would it be sufficient to have a policy that allowed for termination following a finding by a court of infringement? It’s possible that the provision could be interpreted as being narrower than the concept of ‘reasonable steps’ in s 101(1A) – indeed, it seems to me that it would have to be narrower, or the safe harbour is significantly gutted of content. I’ll have to look at the US cases on this – there have been some considering this concept of the policy for termination.
November 26th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Theres a comment from “Ian McDonald, the Senior Legal Officer at the Australian Copyright Council” (at http://apcmag.com/afact_v_iinet_the_case_that_could_shut_down_the_internet.htm), stating that “iiNet infringed copyright by virtue of making copies of infringing material either in their cache or even by virtue of being stored temporarily in their routers”.
Does this mean that Telstra could be sued when their DSLAMs/routers send the user’s packets to iinet? Does Telstra have a “policy that provides for termination, in appropriate circumstances, of the accounts of repeat infringers” that has them disconnect their competitor’s customers? If they do, I’d love to know what the ACCC thinks of such a policy….
If a ‘repeat infringer’ was using dialup, would Telstra be required to have a policy that disconnected their phone line?
November 27th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Bradley writes:
‘If a “repeat infringer” was using dialup, would Telstra be required to have a policy that disconnected their phone line?’
DSL uses a phone line just like dial-up modems do – disconnection in both instances does not necessarily disrupt phone line services (except for VOIP).
Disconnection means closing your ISP internet account – not physically disconnecting the hardware.
November 27th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Richard Says:
“Disconnection means closing your ISP internet account – not physically disconnecting the hardware.”
My example was Telstra providing phone server to a customer getting dialup access through iiNet. Telstra’s equipment will be copying the downloaded data as part of the connection, which according to the claims in the article means that Telstra is also infringing copyright (I’m not a lawyer so I don’t know if thats true).
In that case isn’t the only defence Telstra has is to have the policy that lets it use the safe harbour exceptions? And since it can’t cancel the dialup account with another provider, isn’t its only option to have a policy to disconnect the phone line?
I don’t think that AFACT is likely to make this argument, but is there any legal argument against it? The safe harbour stuff does say “in appropriate circumstances” – I guess you could argue that it would be more ‘appropriate’ to have a policy that sends complaints to the actual ISP, but again, IANAL. Even then, if a user hopped from ISP to ISP, could a copyright holder say that ‘enough is enough’ and make an argument for Telstra to disable access? (That last is more practical for DSL than dial, I guess)
November 27th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
“Is it sufficient to terminate only those found liable for infringement?”
I’m surprised kim expressed it in those terms. s116AH requires the CSP to have a policy in place for terminating repeat infringers. What else can an infringer be, except someone found liable for infringement?
Ok, technically you’re an infringer when you do the infringing act (making the copy or whatever), but absent a finding of liability, there’s no way for anyone to assess if you had an actual or implied license, or whether you qualify for any of the statutory defences (substantial part + educational purpose, critical review etc)
An interesting side note: The word “infringer” appears once in the entire act: in s116AH
November 28th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Another grey area?
I have paid for cable and free to air TV which includes both vision and audio content (included in my rental agreement, the rights to view programs broadcast one presumes) for the past 25 years.
I did not have the means to record same over that period, but now I wish to have copies of some of the shows I have watched and paid the rights on.
Downloading those from the net – via torrent from individuals globally that had the ability to save same at the time of viewing, am I breaking a copyright law, or am I just activating my right of ownership to the rights purchased from a previous time.
DVR’s are sold globally and in most instances incorporated into most broadcast network set top box’s for this exact purpose, allowing the purchaser of the rights to record & watch at their leisure at another time.
1)
Would not the copyright claimants have to prove that each and every downloaded piece of material by an individual had not been nor never paid for by that individual to claim infringement of their “copyright rights”.
2)
Would not the claimants also have to prove that the individual had not in fact seen that particular show / movie or heard that piece of music on their rented and paid for rights distribution equipment.
3)
Would not the providers of said equipment to record actually be the original sinners as their equipment has been exclusively designed to function as capture / store / disseminate device for the replaying of rights material at some time in the future, claiming the recording media unknown use after manufacture is not plausible as the cable companies, streaming media companies who rent or sell set top boxes design to store the delivered content.
4)
Would not the claimant have to pursue any and all persons whom at the invitation of an individual, sit and watch a prerecorded rights purchased film/movie/opera etc. but had not paid to see or hear that media output under the original individuals rental agreement. (they may not have a cable contract of their own, so they are breaking the “Law”)
The Australian assault by the claimants focused on i*net for the obvious reasons, T*lstra is the government, O*tus has to much cash, so lets beat up on the little guy, drain him financially, and focus on an outcome of being established as the core censor for internet content in/out of Australia, then use that to replicate globally.
Do not forget their is more to their claims than just “potential loss of income” as a reasonable thinking person could join the dots from “inability for industry to control or police a filtering policy” to establishment of an independent, non-judicially overseen censor group.
I am not preaching big brother here, just watching globally how each time this style of legal battle wins for the claimant, the question of whom shall “police” the data stream is asked, oddly, the claimant seems they may have an answer.
December 2nd, 2008 at 11:52 am
Avid Watcher: the short answer to your questions is that when you pay for Pay Television, it is false to say that you ‘have paid for the rights’ on whatever is shown. Certainly you pay for the service of receiving Pay Television, but that is very different from saying that you pay for the right to make a permanent copy by whatever means you choose (which is what you are effectively saying you have). Even under the copyright act, you only have a ‘right’ to make a copy by taping, to watch at a more convenient time – not a right to make a library. If you want a permanent copy, there are means for obtaining that – namely, DVD, assuming it is sold (and if it is not sold, well, that is a choice the copyright owner has made).
I’m afraid you won’t get my agreement to the assertion that once something is broadcast, it is put into the commons for whoever to do whatever they like with it. If you do not believe in the copyright system, we aren’t going to agree!
December 2nd, 2008 at 11:55 am
LG: perhaps I should have said “found liable by a court in the form of a court judgment or consent order”. The issue is whether a court case is necessary. There are alternatives: for example, the offering of significant and substantial proof by the copyright owner (or, on an even more extreme idea, the allegation by a copyright owner). The question is what is the standard required by the Act. The Act is not specific. This becomes a question of statutory interpretation: something that can get rather dull and which I’m not trying to answer here – just raising the question.
December 17th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Kim,
ZDNet’s article on this morning’s direction hearing:
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/AFACT-must-give-iiNet-more-info/0,130061791,339293870,00.htm
Fun times :)
February 7th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Kim thanks for your precise summary of the case so far. Even I could understand it which says something for your acute wordsmith skills.
To me this is more than just an interesting piece of law to be mulled over by aficionados as it is tested in a court.
In the first instance, I am intrigued that a group of copyright holders have decided they have enough ammo to prove an ISP has infringed the copyright act by degrees. That in itself borders on the scary for many reasons, not the least of which are the affects the result could have on ISPs particularly, and the affects on the internet generally.
You would all be aware that the acronym F.A.C.T. is an obfuscation as there is no theft. But then people who make movies named it after all.
I am bothered that F.A.C.T. and the companies it represents have still not realized that people are crying out for a better way to watch movies. The fact is that these laws are inherited from the US due to the FTA several years back including a time increase to copyright movies out to 50 years, an onerous part of the law which allows copyright to reach beyond the grave so to speak. This is above greed to me.
Allow me to digress only slightly then back to the point of this page Kim.
A chap called me the other day and asked what he could do about getting his movies onto some sort of device because he was fed up with his kids leaving DVDs lying around, to slip on, trodden on and scratched. I know what he means, I have three youngsters myself. What he doesn’t realize is that he is heading straight into copyright infringement territory. The only means of getting a protected DVD movie onto a memory device is to break the copy protection. This is illegal.
I am all for sensible copyright laws. We must have them. These laws may seem onerous to a few but it takes real money, risk and commitment to make these movies and we as the end user must pay for them at some stage. It’s only fair.
Unfortunately the hub of the problem today as I see it is that since the advent of the DVD, people are expected to pay for them again and again if renting or risk damaging their own legally bought DVDs due to simply playing them. This is not an over-exaggeration; damage from playing DVDs does and will continue much to the dismay of the out-of-pocket owner.
However once bought as a legal and freely “copyable” version, this problem is largely eliminated as the owner can store the movie on multiple devices. And surely one payment should be enough. How much should the avid movie collector pay? An amount based on firm and reasonable business principles that ensures the continuation of the movie industry.
The iiNet case is in its infancy yet but has been closely scrutinized by expert commentators and lay people alike and has caught the interest of many I suspect due to its potential ramifications to the internet.
In my view this situation should never have been allowed to develop in the first place. I believe our society is not yet morally corrupt simply because many (I suspect) are illegally downloading movies. What Bob and others of his ilk want is the simple ability to download or otherwise receive open copies of movies, thus allowing them to copy them on a device, creating a library of movies and otherwise back them up. This would enable people to choose what movie they watch and when to watch it and remain completely compliant with the law. Less stress that way and I for one am all for less stress!
As of now the sad fact is that movie production companies are tenuously hanging on to an outdated, unworkable business model when we all desperately need a model that reflects the desires of the public (that’s the people who buy and rent movies by the way).
Finally, why they have selected Australia to test the law raises my suspicions as to their master plan. So be it though. The bullet is in the breach and I dearly hope the judge gets up to speed on this and understands the full impact on the internet if any of the F.A.C.T. allegations are upheld.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Implications of this could be quite dramatic.
Illegal activities using any communications industry could mean that individuals known for organising past crimes (no matter how large, everything from organising a bank job to cyber bullying) can loose their connections, this will have very harsh results on those involved.
Consider that if I or a household member was bullied and threatened over the phone by someone else I could press charges against them and if successful effectively have the phone provider stop their connection… ouch!
While I can see that the punishment meets the crime in removing an object that the individual does not have the responsibility to use it appropriately, the result effect on communication could be very detrimental.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:30 am
This case – should be relatively easy to resolve.
In layman terms, it is the same pricniple as claiming a Girrafe and and Elephant are the same thing. They are both mammals, two ears, eyes four legs, 1 head, tail, herbavours, live in the same environment, bear live young etc etc – but they are not the same.
Its the taxonomic ranking process.
So to are the P2P/Bit Torrens and other file sharing application formts which are dedicated facilities for the purpose of file sharing. An ISP does alot of the same but is not the same.
In addition, there is case law which distinquishes liability of facilitiating Intellectual Property infringement and providing a process which may have two uses one of which is lawful – this distinction is based on the facts eg: Sony betamax, cassete tapes or university photocopiers.
Hence IInet firstly might consider uncopuling itself from the claim that it is the same as file sharing facility on the basis of fact.
Secondly IINet may wish to bring to life a number of secitons of the copyright act which protects ISPs particualrly given the interpretaion of the legislation on its plain and ordinary meaning.
Thirdly, The fours area of the claim cited ( I think at 58/9 ish area) are easliy unshackled by reference to the facts again including undertking a practicing of disconneting for misuse for safe habouring under the assention of the FTA requirements (and therefore influential US case law too).
Overall remember that file sharing is not illegal – only the unlawufl dealing in another party’s IP is.
I can understand that the claimaint/plaintiff can see that on the principles of the P2P/BitTorrens and other files sharing cases, that a stretch of the these principles, and a strech of the law, may enbale the plaintiff to now rope in ISP’s. We have seen this streeeetching technique used with respect to the copyright act Part IV to accomodate cinemagraphic film to accomodate multimedia and digital technology. However this goes to the Juris or academic thinking of whether the curent law are suffficent to accomodate new technlogies or we need new specific legislation to do so.
On balance, it may be reasoned that this situation will reuqire to much streching of the current law with the consequence of snapping and thus resulting in IINet being succesful.
IInet should not back down on this case as it is an important case for the operation of IP law in Australia.
Go for IInet as all Telco’s, ISP and even Australia Post will fear an outcome in favour of Hollywood.
Ainzy
May 4th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Hi All,
I just would like to say that i believe that it is about time the film industry realises that time for multi-bilion profits is over.
I feel sick with some actors, producers and directors earning millions of dollars for a 3 months shooting. It is because of this expensive bill (and the gready film industry) that the ticket in our local movies costs 20 bucks and the DVDS are equally as expensive.
I believe if they start to pay this people real salaries instead of this ‘dream’ salary and to focus on creating technology that would enable internet users to download the new releases for a couple of bucks on their own websites, they would be in a much better position.
The film industry is fighting against the future. Internet download is the new way, it is the better way and hopefully it will be the chosen way.
For the courts, don’t forget that you are here to protect the population and not the inflated profits a multi-bilion dollars industry.
For the politicians, who is going to be man enough to stand up for the new way of life?
For the population, this is the time to stand up for what is right? until when will we be supporting the film industry and their obcenes salaries???
August 24th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
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February 25th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Why AFACT chose the wrong respondent:
http://itnews.com.au/News/167984,analysis-five-ways-afact-lost-the-iinet-case.aspx
The wrong target
The last word should perhaps be left to Justice Cowdroy, who sympathised with the content industry for their battle with online piracy in his judgement, but pointed to their greatest flaw.
“It is unfortunate that the outcome of the Court’s finding is that the applicants will continue to have their copyright infringed,” he said.
“However, the fault lies with the applicants for choosing the wrong respondent.”